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Post by Randy on Oct 21, 2017 2:46:51 GMT
Yep i eat organic meat almost everyday. plus I eat a massive tablespoon of bee jelly,pollen & honey daily.
I havent emailed blue yet. Been a frustrating last few weeks and today I weighed myself so I was frustrated. Measured my arms also. I know all of this is mucho likely Bartonella just fightin me. Plus I have a cold ggrrrr. Side note...had minor insomnia last night which I have not had in about 5+ months plus drenching night sweats again which I havent had in 5mo also.
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Oct 21, 2017 16:41:43 GMT
Some days it seems as if the symptoms just play "dog pile" with us. I'm so sorry, Randy!! Do you suspect Babs because of the night sweats? I know that some with Lyme or Bart also experience some sweats too, but my sweats from Lyme or Bart are usually a lot lighter than those very drenching Babs sweats.
I hope your night of insomnia was just a fluke kind of thing!
Like you, I generally avoid scales - it's always frustrating for me! We have so little control over what our bodies chose to do at times!!
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Post by Randy on Oct 21, 2017 17:38:43 GMT
Well maybe it was a fluke but darn its so reminiscent of months ago. But last night no issues...odd! I thought I beat down babs but maybe some is still lingering. Usually day sweats are from Bart which I have also.
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Post by Randy on Oct 21, 2017 17:39:49 GMT
I know girlie has the same symptoms I do and she is bouncing back, would be awesome if she had some feedback on this topic.
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Post by girlie on Oct 22, 2017 6:22:00 GMT
My 'damage' happened pretty much right away. Symptoms started April, 2013. By end of May I had lost 14 lbs...and my muscles were all flacid....
First LLMD appt. end of August, 2014.
I have treated lyme, bart and am now treating Babesia.
I gained the weight back by summer, 2015. So, it took awhile after treatment for it to happen - and my muscles did not (and still aren't) get firm like they were before.
I started seeing a Physio in Feb, 2016...and she has helped me get the range of motion and strength back in my left arm, shoulder.
I used to have quite large (and firm) calf muscles - and they still aren't back to how they were. My butt muscles aren't as firm either. Same for my arms. BUT - they are better than they were. I don't know if this is as good as it gets.
The backs of my hands and fingers are awful. It's like skin, bone and veins....
I know they're not getting worse...so I guess I should be happy.
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Post by Randy on Oct 22, 2017 19:10:49 GMT
So I have to assume that there was no physical feeling of muscle or collagen regeneration?
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Post by Randy on Oct 22, 2017 19:40:41 GMT
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Post by girlie on Oct 22, 2017 21:20:28 GMT
So I have to assume that there was no physical feeling of muscle or collagen regeneration? No. But what I found interesting (strange) - when I tried to exercise on the Elliptical prior to treatment...my muscles didn't feel anything...it was like they were numb. It wasn't until I had treated for awhile that I could 'feel' them when I exercised... So, I don't feel muscle or collagen regenerating...they do have that normal soreness during the workout.
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Post by girlie on Oct 22, 2017 21:24:23 GMT
So, is your thumb lacking muscle and collagen? if I compare my right index finger to my left (bad side) - there's quite a difference. If I have both my hands facing each other and have my index finger in the shape of a hook - the flat part between the first and second knuckle - the left one is sort of indented and nothing there, where my right one has some cushion and you can see the difference just looking at them. I don't know if that's muscle (is there muscle there?) or collagen that is missing..or both. it's most noticeable on that finger - and that's the one that is still a bit numb. nerve issues.
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Post by Randy on Oct 22, 2017 23:03:30 GMT
Most of the loss in my hands is between the index finger and thumb as seen in the pic. But the palm and back of hands is bad also. Dude and my shoulders are shot also. You said u lost 14lbs, Ive lost almost 40lbs. However im not a full yr into treatment yet and just started bart and myco herbs a month ago.
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Post by girlie on Oct 24, 2017 4:04:46 GMT
Most of the loss in my hands is between the index finger and thumb as seen in the pic. But the palm and back of hands is bad also. Dude and my shoulders are shot also. You said u lost 14lbs, Ive lost almost 40lbs. However im not a full yr into treatment yet and just started bart and myco herbs a month ago. Yes 14 lbs was quite a bit for me... So, I went from 138 to 124 lbs. I was gaunt.and it happened so fast. I didn't lose anymore after that. What are you treating currently? Bart?
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Post by Randy on Oct 24, 2017 18:01:47 GMT
Yes Bart & Myco at same time with IHA & Sida Plus and I still use the Chronic Tonic daily. Interestingly enough when I first started treatment I was only able to tolerate 1drop of CT every other day for months and now Im at 21 drops every day and could proly go higher. And the CT potency is way less than IHA & Sida+. So Im guessing that because Bart & Myco are likely my worst infections is why this is sooooo hard to get through. Its likely my levels of pathogens are very high for both. The scariest thing is, the more i treat the more weight I lose. And the fact that my appetite has increased doesnt make a diff.
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Post by girlie on Oct 24, 2017 22:56:01 GMT
Yes Bart & Myco at same time with IHA & Sida Plus and I still use the Chronic Tonic daily. Interestingly enough when I first started treatment I was only able to tolerate 1drop of CT every other day for months and now Im at 21 drops every day and could proly go higher. And the CT potency is way less than IHA & Sida+. So Im guessing that because Bart & Myco are likely my worst infections is why this is sooooo hard to get through. Its likely my levels of pathogens are very high for both. The scariest thing is, the more i treat the more weight I lose. And the fact that my appetite has increased doesnt make a diff. It's odd that you are losing more weight, the more you treat. maybe it's another infection you haven't dealt with yet...that is causing the weight loss.
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Post by Randy on Oct 25, 2017 0:39:18 GMT
Like what? I was told per muscle test I have babs,bart,myco,rmsf,cpn and some metals. Lyme+ from Igenix. And I think i beat down babs with CT. SO im at a loss here. Plus all the darn herbs im on should hit everything.
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Post by girlie on Oct 25, 2017 7:03:59 GMT
Like what? I was told per muscle test I have babs,bart,myco,rmsf,cpn and some metals. Lyme+ from Igenix. And I think i beat down babs with CT. SO im at a loss here. Plus all the darn herbs im on should hit everything. How long have you been treating Bart for? It can take a long time.
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Post by Randy on Oct 25, 2017 17:10:10 GMT
A little over a month maybe 2. But I cannot handle the herbs. Even when I take 1 drop of each Sida+ and IHA all my symptoms go nuts. And yes Im detoxing daily. If it is the herbs, I will be down to 100lbs in no time...and well, then death will follow. I know Ive read in my other groups on how bad bart can be and some say detoxing makes little difference with bart. I know a lady said yesterday she is stopping bart abx because its way to intense for her to treat. The one thing I know is when I take these herbs it is hitting something very hard.
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Post by girlie on Oct 26, 2017 7:03:20 GMT
You may have to just start with one herb and do one drop spaced out through the day. Put it in 1/4 cup of water and sip slowly over the day.... maybe just the Sida acuta. (and leave out the IHA)
Stay with that one drop for a week. Then do two drops a day...again...slowly over the day.
It's worth a try...yes it's slow...but eventually you will get there.
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Oct 26, 2017 12:31:44 GMT
I would agree with what Girlie is saying - to go back to treating Bart, only be sure to start only one herb at a time (because of the synergy that is likely occurring between the herbs) and slowly adding in one at a time, and always start at very low doses. Sounds like Bart is hitting you pretty hard. I'm so sorry!!!
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Post by DJ on Oct 26, 2017 12:44:46 GMT
Nevermind, just weighed myself and I guess the feeling is me rotting even more since Ive lost another 3lbs. Pretty f'n tired of this shit! I could swear I gained 2lbs a couple weeks ago but, guess not. idk anymore. Must be that time of year for losing weight, I lost 6 pounds since I been at the rescue, which has only be a month and half. I think that is a little to much, but my appetite has been up, since lyme never had an appetite, I lost 70 pounds in the beginning of LD. But my weight is up and down a lot since the beginning. I guess it's a lymie thing with this weight problem! Never had 1 when I wasn't sick. I stayed at 125 for years. ( I am 5') I stopped weighting myself, never really owned a scale. I went by what the doctor's office gave me. Or a friends house.
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Post by Randy on Oct 26, 2017 18:51:48 GMT
See thats the thing I put 1 drop of IHA & 1 drop of Sida Plus into about 2cups of water and took a shot glass full everyday for a week(which is a uber small dose) and it hit me almost as hard as 1drop of each every other day. I stopped those herbs yesterday and can already feel not as bad. My load must be massive and any of those herbs are likely killing hard. Im gunna take at least a 1 week break and then just try the Sida+ and see what happens.
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