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abx
Nov 4, 2017 17:50:15 GMT
Post by acres on Nov 4, 2017 17:50:15 GMT
Hi, I do not think I am doing well on the doxy....My bathroom trips have been similar to my c diff infection last year....Having said that I am aware that taking large doses of probiotics can give the same issue (I am taking florastor and vsl3) I am leaning toward trying to beat this with just herbs. I should get my herbs from my previous thread soon.... I remember reading a post of yours on HW forum about tea and herbs that you used. Any chance you could review that for me and give me some opinions....I can't go through c diff again and I need to beat my new infection....I am very depressed..... Scott
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Post by Randy on Nov 4, 2017 18:22:02 GMT
ABX uselessCheck out this info. First article ive ever found that says Oregano is better than abx.
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 19:11:03 GMT
Post by acres on Nov 4, 2017 19:11:03 GMT
Hi, Have you or anyone else here tried oregano oil ? What does it do to the good gut bacteria ?
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 20:16:09 GMT
Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 4, 2017 20:16:09 GMT
No matter whether it's herbs or pharmaceuticals, you will have to be very careful with the C-diff.
Oregano oil is pretty strong, and could result in a relapse of the C-diff, but you should talk to your herbalist about that. I've used it to successfully treat many infections, but I don't have C-diff issues. My GI issues are different.
If you feel that the C-diff is making a come back, then you will need to have it addressed right away to keep it under control - and may have to stay in treatment for C-diff while doing other treatments for these infections.
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 21:12:39 GMT
Post by deejavu on Nov 4, 2017 21:12:39 GMT
Are you drinking bone broth? That helps the gut so much! You can make it yourself or I heard of some people buying it.
Until I learn how to put links in please google Dr. Mercola's recipe for bone broth. Bone broth is really healthy and has so many benefits!
Denise
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 21:14:20 GMT
Post by acres on Nov 4, 2017 21:14:20 GMT
That was what I was afraid of - a combination treatment....The abx Dificid saved me from c diff last year after flagyl almost killed me and oral vancomycin did not work...
Thank god my gut has settled down from this morning. I think it might be my nose dive into probiotics so I will scale them back and see what happens....From the c diff forum I learned about the anxiety/gut relationship, so I am sure my severe stress is not helping as well.... My GI gave me a script for the c diff test, just in case, so I am prepared....
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 21:58:46 GMT
Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 4, 2017 21:58:46 GMT
Here you go, if you wanted that bone broth recipe that Deejavu mentioned: Dr. Mercola's bone broth recipeOne thing that I would like to point out though, if you have an allergy to MSG (I do), do NOT use bone broth, as there is natural MSG in the bones and you will ingest it. I reacted to bone broth several times before I figured this out! And, I had made my own. I'm so sorry, Acres!! I can't imagine having to deal with both treatments at the same time! Even without C-diff, I have noticed that I must be careful with probiotics too - too much causes issues too.
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 22:17:56 GMT
Post by girlie on Nov 4, 2017 22:17:56 GMT
Hi, I do not think I am doing well on the doxy....My bathroom trips have been similar to my c diff infection last year....Having said that I am aware that taking large doses of probiotics can give the same issue (I am taking florastor and vsl3) I am leaning toward trying to beat this with just herbs. I should get my herbs from my previous thread soon.... I remember reading a post of yours on HW forum about tea and herbs that you used. Any chance you could review that for me and give me some opinions....I can't go through c diff again and I need to beat my new infection....I am very depressed..... Scott
With your history, should you not be stopping the doxy until those c-difficile 'like' symptoms subside? What does your LLMD say about that? If you've already mentioned it - I apologize...
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 22:23:21 GMT
Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 4, 2017 22:23:21 GMT
I'm so glad you posted, Girlie!! With your son having something similar to deal with, I knew you could help add some insight to this!!! Thank you!
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abx
Nov 4, 2017 22:26:58 GMT
Post by girlie on Nov 4, 2017 22:26:58 GMT
I'm so glad you posted, Girlie!! With your son having something similar to deal with, I knew you could help add some insight to this!!! Thank you! my son hasn't had c-difficile. (Not that I know of anyway...lol)
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abx
Nov 5, 2017 0:22:28 GMT
Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 5, 2017 0:22:28 GMT
No, but he's had the serious GI issues and you may have some insights I or others may not.
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abx
Nov 5, 2017 1:21:55 GMT
Post by acres on Nov 5, 2017 1:21:55 GMT
Hi, I am allergic to MSG ! Is there a second choice instead of bone broth ? I am using a herbalist and an integrative doctor who so far I believe is a Llmd and my C diff GI who is very good.... but it's the weekend... The good news is my gut has settled down. I lowered my probiotic use today so we shall see....
The plan with my GI is get tested fast (I have a script for that) and go right to the c diff abx Dificid which is usually the 3rd choice (flagyl then oral vancomycin). I might have to stay on that while working on the lyme or go totally herbal.... Some folks believe that herbs do not destroy the good gut bacteria. I have no idea if that is true.... Thank you, Scott
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abx
Nov 5, 2017 18:29:14 GMT
Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 5, 2017 18:29:14 GMT
I hate to say this, as I'm big on herbs, but the truth of the matter is that herbs can be just as anti-microbial as pharmaceuticals - so yes, some herbs can do just as much damage as abx. Those that say different just don't know enough (which is part of the trouble with many herb users, they know very little about the herbs). If you were thinking of using the bone broth for healing the gut, there aren't many alternatives out there that I have found for those that are allergic to MSG. I found a good article for those of us that wish to use bone broth that are allergic to MSG - not sure I'm going to try it, but I want to share it as I know quite a few people use this diet to overcome their leaky gut issues: "What to do? The GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet developed by Natasha Campbell-McBride MD relies heavily on broth for healing benefits, but many patients start out with a lightly cooked bone broth, progressing over time to long-cooked bone broth. The glutamine content of broth increases with cooking time as do the levels of all other amino acids. Thus long-cooked bone broth is more nutrient rich and preferable for all who can tolerate it." link to article The problem with the GAPS diet, is that it starts out with the patient using bone broth - so I've been balking at even starting it.
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abx
Nov 5, 2017 19:07:30 GMT
Post by acres on Nov 5, 2017 19:07:30 GMT
What about a glutamine supplement ?
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abx
Nov 5, 2017 19:31:48 GMT
Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 5, 2017 19:31:48 GMT
You're allergic to MSG, right? Then I'd say no, as the above article I linked to says: " The glutamine found naturally in healthy foods such as homemade bone broth should not be a problem, but all bets are off if MSG in the diet has led to glutamate build up and brain damage due to excitotoxicity."
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abx
Nov 6, 2017 21:20:16 GMT
Post by alyeska on Nov 6, 2017 21:20:16 GMT
ABX uselessCheck out this info. First article ive ever found that says Oregano is better than abx. I've heard this, but I'm allergic to oregano!
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 7, 2017 22:39:05 GMT
ABX uselessCheck out this info. First article ive ever found that says Oregano is better than abx. I've heard this, but I'm allergic to oregano! Oh no!! Good thing there are so many good herbs out there that you can use (hopefully) instead! Although I know you are sensitive to quite a few, that doesn't rule out herbs altogether still.
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Post by deejavu on Nov 13, 2017 14:12:20 GMT
Here you go, if you wanted that bone broth recipe that Deejavu mentioned: Dr. Mercola's bone broth recipeOne thing that I would like to point out though, if you have an allergy to MSG (I do), do NOT use bone broth, as there is natural MSG in the bones and you will ingest it. I reacted to bone broth several times before I figured this out! And, I had made my own. I'm so sorry, Acres!! I can't imagine having to deal with both treatments at the same time! Even without C-diff, I have noticed that I must be careful with probiotics too - too much causes issues too.
Okay, I'm confused! According to this article bone broth contains glutamine though people sensitive to MSG react poorly to broth (it is suggested to cook the broth for a short time):
nourishingbroth.com/articles/confused-about-broth-glutamine-and-msg-heres-the-facts/
First of all, glutamine is not MSG. Rather, glutamine is a conditionally essential amino acid that is critical for gut, brain and immune health. That said, some people sensitive to MSG react poorly to broth. Autistic children and others with sensitive and damaged guts often react to it even though they desperately need the gut healing that glutamine could assist. Some of these people are so sensitive they react not only to broth but to any good dietary source of glutamine, including beef, chicken, fish, eggs and dairy products.
What to do? The GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet developed by Natasha Campbell-McBride MD to help autistic children and others in need of gut healing relies heavily on broth for healing benefits. Yet Dr. McBride starts many patients out on a lightly cooked bone broth — which she calls a “meat stock.” As these people heal, they progress over time to regular long-cooked bone broth. The reason this helps many sensitive individuals is because the glutamine content of broth increases with cooking time. Indeed, the levels of all the amino acids are about three times higher compared to the short-cooked broth as this applies to chicken, beef and other bone broths as well as gelatin products. The results suggest that those sensitive to glutamine should consume only short-cooked broth until the condition clears. For a chart showing the amino acid levels of long-term and short-cooked broth as tested by CoVance Laboratories, go to page 38 of Nourishing Broth.
What do you think?
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abx
Nov 14, 2017 4:54:34 GMT
Post by acres on Nov 14, 2017 4:54:34 GMT
Ok , maybe I will try bone broth (very very slowly)... I will begin with the short cooked broth and a small quantity.....See what happens....
I may try oil of oregano down the line....We will see how I am doing with my present herbs and when I add something I think JK and CC will be first (one at a time).... Scott
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abx
Nov 16, 2017 15:29:40 GMT
Post by alyeska on Nov 16, 2017 15:29:40 GMT
Here you go, if you wanted that bone broth recipe that Deejavu mentioned: Dr. Mercola's bone broth recipeOne thing that I would like to point out though, if you have an allergy to MSG (I do), do NOT use bone broth, as there is natural MSG in the bones and you will ingest it. I reacted to bone broth several times before I figured this out! And, I had made my own. I'm so sorry, Acres!! I can't imagine having to deal with both treatments at the same time! Even without C-diff, I have noticed that I must be careful with probiotics too - too much causes issues too.
Okay, I'm confused! According to this article bone broth contains glutamine though people sensitive to MSG react poorly to broth (it is suggested to cook the broth for a short time):
nourishingbroth.com/articles/confused-about-broth-glutamine-and-msg-heres-the-facts/
First of all, glutamine is not MSG. Rather, glutamine is a conditionally essential amino acid that is critical for gut, brain and immune health. That said, some people sensitive to MSG react poorly to broth. Autistic children and others with sensitive and damaged guts often react to it even though they desperately need the gut healing that glutamine could assist. Some of these people are so sensitive they react not only to broth but to any good dietary source of glutamine, including beef, chicken, fish, eggs and dairy products.
What to do? The GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet developed by Natasha Campbell-McBride MD to help autistic children and others in need of gut healing relies heavily on broth for healing benefits. Yet Dr. McBride starts many patients out on a lightly cooked bone broth — which she calls a “meat stock.” As these people heal, they progress over time to regular long-cooked bone broth. The reason this helps many sensitive individuals is because the glutamine content of broth increases with cooking time. Indeed, the levels of all the amino acids are about three times higher compared to the short-cooked broth as this applies to chicken, beef and other bone broths as well as gelatin products. The results suggest that those sensitive to glutamine should consume only short-cooked broth until the condition clears. For a chart showing the amino acid levels of long-term and short-cooked broth as tested by CoVance Laboratories, go to page 38 of Nourishing Broth.
What do you think?
Would regular chicken broth (organic, from Whole Foods) have a lot of glutamine in it too?
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