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Post by kb69 on Nov 29, 2017 21:37:18 GMT
Hi again,
I'm sorry for the multiple posts today. I'm having a really tough time with a Bicillin shot herx and trying to figure out if I'm still herxing or just arriving at a "new awful."
Bicillin stays in your system at the same level for 14 days after the injection. So, it's like you're ingesting a pill or the same # of herbal drops for 14 days, but unlike those treatments because you can't pull back once it's injected.
Here's the drug overview (and I take 1.2 billiion units, the highest level):
Intramuscular administration of 300,000 units of penicillin G benzathine in adults results in blood levels of 0.03 to 0.05 units per mL, which are maintained for 4 to 5 days. Similar blood levels may persist for 10 days following administration of 600,000 units and for 14 days following administration of 1,200,000 units. Blood concentrations of 0.003 units per mL may still be detectable 4 weeks following administration of 1,200,000 units.
My last injection was on 11/11, and I started herxing 2 days later. [The symptoms are raging neuro -- anxiety, tingling, burning, inner vibration.] As of today, I've been herxing for 16 days. The drug overview says that smaller amounts of the Bicillin can still be in your system for up to 4 weeks, but I don't know if that's enough to continue this herx. I thought the herx was better this morning, but it's all kicked up again this afternoon. I'm detoxing like crazy, and obviously haven't had another injection.
I'm really worried I've arrived a some new awful place and taken a million steps backward. These neuro symptoms, especially the anxiety, are so hard to manage. I can't mentally face the fact that I could be getting worse in some way at this point after I've successfully (fingers crossed) treated Babesia and not had any of those symptoms for many months.
Thanks for reading this long post and for any thoughts, Kelly
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Post by alyeska on Nov 30, 2017 0:10:17 GMT
Hi again, I'm sorry for the multiple posts today. I'm having a really tough time with a Bicillin shot herx and trying to figure out if I'm still herxing or just arriving at a "new awful." Bicillin stays in your system at the same level for 14 days after the injection. So, it's like you're ingesting a pill or the same # of herbal drops for 14 days, but unlike those treatments because you can't pull back once it's injected. Here's the drug overview (and I take 1.2 billiion units, the highest level): Intramuscular administration of 300,000 units of penicillin G benzathine in adults results in blood levels of 0.03 to 0.05 units per mL, which are maintained for 4 to 5 days. Similar blood levels may persist for 10 days following administration of 600,000 units and for 14 days following administration of 1,200,000 units. Blood concentrations of 0.003 units per mL may still be detectable 4 weeks following administration of 1,200,000 units. My last injection was on 11/11, and I started herxing 2 days later. [The symptoms are raging neuro -- anxiety, tingling, burning, inner vibration.] As of today, I've been herxing for 16 days. The drug overview says that smaller amounts of the Bicillin can still be in your system for up to 4 weeks, but I don't know if that's enough to continue this herx. I thought the herx was better this morning, but it's all kicked up again this afternoon. I'm detoxing like crazy, and obviously haven't had another injection. I'm really worried I've arrived a some new awful place and taken a million steps backward. These neuro symptoms, especially the anxiety, are so hard to manage. I can't mentally face the fact that I could be getting worse in some way at this point after I've successfully (fingers crossed) treated Babesia and not had any of those symptoms for many months. Thanks for reading this long post and for any thoughts, Kelly Oh, God bless you, Kelly! I wish I had answers, but those will have to come from the more experienced people on here. Just know that I hear you, and that I read every word you wrote. I am the queen of long posts! Now I have to go read something to my dyslexic teenager for his class tomorrow. As you can probably tell, I'm just thrilled about it. (Sarcasm!) Hang in there.
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 30, 2017 1:09:32 GMT
First of all, no one gets to feel bad about posting lots here!!! If you have questions or concerns, we want to hear them!
So, yes, you could still be herxing, Kelly - and I'm so so very sorry! Obviously, you should keep on detoxing like a mad woman!! I don't believe that's your new normal necessarily though, as it could just be that you are simply still herxing. The herxing will continue until the body can get enough toxins out of it for it to relax a bit.
The other possibility is that it's set your nervous system symptoms in an uproar and you need to do some things to calm your nervous system. Can you take Benadryl? If so, take one just before bed and see if that calms them a bit. Benadryl is a Central nervous system depressant, so it has the potential to lower those symptoms. I have to take a double dose when I need it, but that would knock some people out for days, so take what you need, but not enough to cause problems. I usually only use Benadryl as a last resort.
What I do first is increase my anti-inflammatories first, then my pain relieving herbs, if needed. My mix is turmeric, pepperine, ginger, and bromelain (although I haven't needed the bromelain for some time now). And, of course, increase my detoxing.
For the anxiety, do you have any anxiety meds/herbs that you prefer to use? I've found some that work really well for me, and I could share those if you aren't sure where to start. And I agree - anxiety can be very difficult to deal with!!!
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Post by kb69 on Nov 30, 2017 1:18:44 GMT
Alyeska, thanks for your words of support.
Trav, my LLMD suggested having Ativan on hand for emergency anxiety episodes. I've only had to take 2 of those in the last 2 months, and given the addictive nature of these medications, I would prefer to steer clear. He also suggested that, while I get through this period of treatment, it would be worth my considering an SSRI. He suggested Zoloft, but cautioned that it wouldn't work quickly, and might not at all. I'm trying it.
I'm going to up my anti-inflammatories and will try Benadryl tonight. I, too, have a natural pain relieving/anti-inflammatory supplement (KappArest) with a lot of the ingredients you mentioned, but I hadn't been taking it. Will get back on it.
I'm also open to any/all natural recommendations for calming the nervous system and mitigating anxiety. So, please feel free to share any and all ideas with me. I would really appreciate it!
I'm sorry I'm not quoting people directly, as I can't seem to figure that out right now. Will try to up my game the next time.
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 30, 2017 2:17:39 GMT
Alyeska, thanks for your words of support. Trav, my LLMD suggested having Ativan on hand for emergency anxiety episodes. I've only had to take 2 of those in the last 2 months, and given the addictive nature of these medications, I would prefer to steer clear. He also suggested that, while I get through this period of treatment, it would be worth my considering an SSRI. He suggested Zoloft, but cautioned that it wouldn't work quickly, and might not at all. I'm trying it. I'm going to up my anti-inflammatories and will try Benadryl tonight. I, too, have a natural pain relieving/anti-inflammatory supplement (KappArest) with a lot of the ingredients you mentioned, but I hadn't been taking it. Will get back on it. I'm also open to any/all natural recommendations for calming the nervous system and mitigating anxiety. So, please feel free to share any and all ideas with me. I would really appreciate it! I'm sorry I'm not quoting people directly, as I can't seem to figure that out right now. Will try to up my game the next time. No worries about not using the quote function! I think we are all still following along just fine. Well, the ones that have worked best for me have been Avena sativa and passion vine tincture. I did use a store bought tincture once (LOL) that helped, it was called Melissa Supreme by Gaia herbs. Some have found help with other herbs though, so I would encourage you to take a look at the different herbs/herbal mixtures and see if you can determine which one might be best to try first. Here are links for passion flower/vine and avena sativa and what they may be helpful for so you can take a look: Passion FlowerAvena sativa With the avena sativa though, you will have to be sure that you are buying a tincture made with the green oat tops that are in the 'milky stage' - some places are trying to sell oatstraw tincture and call it avena sativa and this will not help with anxiety. Melissa Supreme What I like about working with the anti-inflammatories for anxiety and "moody" days, is that it's often due to brain inflammation - or nervous system inflammation. So, instead of staying on anti-anxiety meds/herbs, we can sometimes treat the source of the problem!
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Post by kb69 on Nov 30, 2017 14:55:15 GMT
I just ordered Melissa Supreme as it read it includes both Avena Sativa and Passionflower. I wish I had the experience you had working with herbs. I'm better off buying the pre-made concoctions at this point. So, thanks for recommending it. I am eager to try it.
I wonder, too, if a lot of the anxiety and intensified neuro symptoms are there because I have had a specific increase in neuro toxins with the Bicillin. Is there any detox remedy specific to neuro toxins, or should we just be following the standard detox protocols that we have discussed. I do use Pinella (and Burbur), but am wondering if there's any other products specific for the neuro toxins.
My other thought is that I beat back Babesia and this is just how severe the Lyme and Bartonella are right now. But, I did feel better before Bicillin, so there has to be a herx element in here somewhere. And, I know I herxed severely this last go-around.
Thanks for the good suggestions, I'm upping my anti-inflammatory supplements, too.
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 30, 2017 20:51:44 GMT
I just ordered Melissa Supreme as it read it includes both Avena Sativa and Passionflower. I wish I had the experience you had working with herbs. I'm better off buying the pre-made concoctions at this point. So, thanks for recommending it. I am eager to try it. I wonder, too, if a lot of the anxiety and intensified neuro symptoms are there because I have had a specific increase in neuro toxins with the Bicillin. Is there any detox remedy specific to neuro toxins, or should we just be following the standard detox protocols that we have discussed. I do use Pinella (and Burbur), but am wondering if there's any other products specific for the neuro toxins. My other thought is that I beat back Babesia and this is just how severe the Lyme and Bartonella are right now. But, I did feel better before Bicillin, so there has to be a herx element in here somewhere. And, I know I herxed severely this last go-around. Thanks for the good suggestions, I'm upping my anti-inflammatory supplements, too. LOL! Well, it just takes time and effort to get more experience with herbs - and you ARE getting there! I started out just by using a few herbs and then got more interested to use herbs for yet more things - one thing led to another and before I knew it, I was interested (yet scared!) to make one of my own tinctures, which led to making yet another (because it was sooo easy!!) and that all lead me (with a great deal of gentle pushing by my most wonderful hubby) to going back to school! And - that's why I'm here! If I can help with a few suggestions, what a better way to help others, and to just be able to share information!! I've got a long way to go still, but I'm learning so very much - not only about the/my body, but the herbs and more! So, I feel it's a good choice to use the Melissa Supreme! I so hope you find it very helpful! Anxiety is no fun to deal with, no matter how minor it may be! I have discovered that I have minor anxiety issues without these infections, with these infections, my anxiety is much more pronounced. I may be taking anti-anxiety herbs for the rest of my life, but I can safely raise and lower the doses depending on what's going on in my life each day. I found a couple of articles that may be of help to you on understanding how to detox "better" for neurotoxins. It's about making sure that our detox pathways are working well, so we can 'push' more toxins out more effectively - which lowers our toxin load. In that light, I like this article best, as it explains it in just that way. [ahref="http://www.publichealthalert.org/neurotoxin-overload-full-body-detox-guide.html"] Public Health Alert - neurotoxin overload[/a] Think of the detox pathways as a garden hose - if there is a kink in the hose anywhere along the line, what's going on at the tap make little difference, right? So, with that in mind, we need to start at the 'end' of the detoxing pathway to be sure the pathway is clear. No need to start at the front of the pathway to only overload the latter parts of the detoxing pathway. The end of the pathway is the colon - so we must make sure that it's working well. Not to get too excited on getting the stomach and liver detoxing well, if those toxins can't get out easily. A snippet from the above article: "Since there are numerous methods for detoxification, one must select those which offer the most support. The two primary pathways of detoxification are: 1) the colon which removes solid wastes and 2) the kidneys and bladder which removes liquid wastes. These pathways have external elimination, those being feces and urine. The liver is also a primary detoxification organ for toxins, hormones, and protein and fat metabolism. The pathway for water-soluble toxins is through the urine. Hormones are excreted through bile in the GI tract. The lungs and skin are the secondary pathways. The lungs outgas toxins from the bloodstream and the skin acts as an excretion pathway by erupting with pimples, pustules, abscesses or oozing sores in the attempt to remove toxins from the body." Another informative article is this one (although there are many good ones out there, these seem to speak to your needs more): GoodbyeLyme.com - detoxification I agree that you really seem to have a herxing element to this right now. I would encourage you to take a hard look at what your detoxing is accomplishing, and what you might be able to change/add in to make your detoxing easier. And, don't forget that if you have any of those lovely MTHFR gene mutations, that too will have an impact on your ability to detox well and must be addressed if they do.
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Post by kb69 on Nov 30, 2017 21:39:24 GMT
This is such amazing information to have! And, it makes such sense.
I do have a heterozygous C677T mutation. Not the worst, but it could compromise detoxification by up to 30%. I treat it with methylfolate/methlycobalimin. I also stick to all the usual suspects -- dry skin brushing, epsom salt baths, lots of water, burbur/pinella, two homeopathic supports for liver and lymph, Lymphagogue, by Wise Women Herbals, which includes Red Root, liposomal glutathione and, now, occasional binders.
But, no pun intended, the one thing I think I do more of is enemas. Sorry if that's TMI. I tried a coffee enema once, which I have heard people swear by, but it gave me a terrible headache. I'm not sure if it was a herx. But, I have done warm water enemas on occasion and I think they can be a gentler source of support. None of this fun, of course.
The Goodbye Lyme article is great, and I noticed it mentioned Isatis for neutralizing toxins. My LLND actually prescribed Isatis and Sida as starter herbs for Bart, but I haven't been able to get on them yet due to the Bicililn herxes. I had never heard of Isatis for Bart (but, Houtt instead), but maybe it will be beneficial in it's own right.
I'm amazed at all of the knowledge you hold about Lyme/Co's, immune support, adrenal support, detoxification. And, your willingness to share all of it with those of us here is beyond appreciated.
I try to visualize myself whipping up herbal tinctures like you do, and just picture myself as a mad scientist making a complete mess and coming up with something completely inedible. So, for now, I will remain inspired by your work, and trust others to prepare these tinctures I rely on and will continue to explore. Hoping to start Bart herbs soon.
Thanks again, Trav, so, so much! Kelly
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Nov 30, 2017 22:05:47 GMT
Well, thank you, Kelly!*blush* But, I honestly did start out from scratch, just like you are doing! I relied on others making my tinctures for me for quite a while, but I got curious - then I had to start making a dry herbal mix to keep the intestinal cramping to a minimum - and that unleashed it! LOL! I made my intestinal cramp formula, then made avena sativa tincture, then made motherwort tincture, and from there, started doing much more!
I'm not trying to push you to make your own though, but just know that you CAN if you choose to.
And, as far as my sharing what I have learned? That just helps me prove Lyme and company aren't going to stop me from doing what I feel is what I'm here for - helping people!!! I just have a specific subset of people that I can help the most - those that have been through a lot of what I have been! Lyme and company has definitely reorganized my life, but it's not going to stop me. LOL!
So, I also rely on the methyl B's to help me detox, and have noticed that it really makes a difference for me - although I have not done the MTHFR testing, I figured I had some kind of gene mutations after reading so many accounts of what people were dealing with that did have them. Then, it was confirmed when I was tested and needed to do B-12 injections. My doctor at the time didn't know about the differences, so she prescribed the 'usual' - cyanocolbalamin and I had to lay down for a 2 hour nap daily suddenly! So, I knew that wasn't good for my body. I stopped the injections, and started on the methylcolbalamin and very soon after that started with methylfolate as well, and noticed that I can now detox much easier.
I have to be very careful in what detoxes I use, as I'm allergic to ragweed bad enough that I can't use milk thistle.
The thing to remember, is that not every herb will work the same in each person. So, while houttuynia may not work for one, the Isatis may indeed work for that person. That's the beauty of herbs - there are so many that can do the job, that if one doesn't seem to work for a person, a good herbalist will know which herb to try next. It's also the frustrating part! LOL! Because we don't always know when something is working, it can be frustrating to have to keep on trying different things.
And, if talking about our innerds is too personal for some, I do apologize, but the truth is that it's a very, very important part of our body that we DO need to discuss openly!!! I am willing to talk about anything anyone else wishes to! If you aren't comfortable talking about it on the forum - email me!!! With my issues spanning for much of my life, I've had to learn how to talk about these things with any doctor. And I like you all a LOT better than I like the doctors!!! LOL!
I do agree that enemas help a great deal when talking about getting rid of toxins. While I can't use them (they only create even more intestinal cramping, which "undoes" a lot of the good it's trying to create) - I'm a firm believer in that they DO work. The coffee enemas specifically are designed to stimulate the liver to produce more bile, and expel toxins in doing so (I've had to find ways to do this with other means is all).
But, as you said, it can still be too stimulating for some, and so, either a 'lighter brew' or just warm water is a good way to start.
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Post by kb69 on Dec 8, 2017 18:46:25 GMT
Alyeska, thanks for your words of support. Trav, my LLMD suggested having Ativan on hand for emergency anxiety episodes. I've only had to take 2 of those in the last 2 months, and given the addictive nature of these medications, I would prefer to steer clear. He also suggested that, while I get through this period of treatment, it would be worth my considering an SSRI. He suggested Zoloft, but cautioned that it wouldn't work quickly, and might not at all. I'm trying it. I'm going to up my anti-inflammatories and will try Benadryl tonight. I, too, have a natural pain relieving/anti-inflammatory supplement (KappArest) with a lot of the ingredients you mentioned, but I hadn't been taking it. Will get back on it. I'm also open to any/all natural recommendations for calming the nervous system and mitigating anxiety. So, please feel free to share any and all ideas with me. I would really appreciate it! I'm sorry I'm not quoting people directly, as I can't seem to figure that out right now. Will try to up my game the next time. No worries about not using the quote function! I think we are all still following along just fine. Well, the ones that have worked best for me have been Avena sativa and passion vine tincture. I did use a store bought tincture once (LOL) that helped, it was called Melissa Supreme by Gaia herbs. Some have found help with other herbs though, so I would encourage you to take a look at the different herbs/herbal mixtures and see if you can determine which one might be best to try first. Here are links for passion flower/vine and avena sativa and what they may be helpful for so you can take a look: Passion FlowerAvena sativa With the avena sativa though, you will have to be sure that you are buying a tincture made with the green oat tops that are in the 'milky stage' - some places are trying to sell oatstraw tincture and call it avena sativa and this will not help with anxiety. Melissa Supreme What I like about working with the anti-inflammatories for anxiety and "moody" days, is that it's often due to brain inflammation - or nervous system inflammation. So, instead of staying on anti-anxiety meds/herbs, we can sometimes treat the source of the problem! Trav, just a quick follow-up question here -- any thoughts on Holy Basil for anxiety? I ordered the Melissa Supreme. A friend with non-Lyme anxiety mentioned Holy Basil, and I was curious to know if this has crossed your well-traveled herbal path?
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Dec 8, 2017 19:28:46 GMT
I have both a lot of thoughts - and a lot of questions - about Holy Basil! LOL! It's a VERY intriguing herb!!! It's said it possess a lot of different medicinal qualities, but I've also watched as others have tried using it and their results. What I've seen is that those with adrenal issues may or may not do well with Holy Basil. Some do really well on it and some do a lot better on Ashwagandha. But - I'm looking into maybe starting Holy Basil too, at very low doses to see how I respond to this wonderful herb....just not for a while yet, as I still have some healing to do on my adrenals. Do watch out for different preparations of this herb - read your labels closely to know exactly what's in the tincture/tea/pill. Some places will combine several different varieties of Holy Basil to create Tulsi tea, some will only sell one type of Holy Basil. And remember, fillers are not something we want in our medicines! Here is a PDF where they break down Holy Basil's actions on each of the systems of the body: Semantics scholar - Therapeutic Benefits of Holy Basil (Tusli) in General and Oral medicine But, as this article states, the one issue I have with it is this: "Tulsi even enhances the adrenal function by lowering cortisol levels." So, if you are a person that has serious enough adrenal issues where you don't produce enough cortisol (and especially if you are taking meds to increase the amount of cortisol being produced), the Tulsi is not for you. It does help with anxiety for a number of reasons, but one of those reasons is because it lowers cortisol. But, if you are someone with your adrenals just "stuck" in high gear, this may be a wonderful herb for you!! So, I would suggest that you evaluate your adrenals closely and consider what you are dealing with and then make your decision, but be prepared to stop the herb, just in case. There's a lot of trial and error in treating yourself - but there's a lot of trail and error when a doctor is in charge of your treatments as well!!! Hopefully someone here will have at least tried Holy Basil and can come and share their experience with it. I hope that until then, this helps some! =)
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Post by kb69 on Dec 8, 2017 19:59:30 GMT
I have both a lot of thoughts - and a lot of questions - about Holy Basil! LOL! It's a VERY intriguing herb!!! It's said it possess a lot of different medicinal qualities, but I've also watched as others have tried using it and their results. What I've seen is that those with adrenal issues may or may not do well with Holy Basil. Some do really well on it and some do a lot better on Ashwagandha. But - I'm looking into maybe starting Holy Basil too, at very low doses to see how I respond to this wonderful herb....just not for a while yet, as I still have some healing to do on my adrenals. Do watch out for different preparations of this herb - read your labels closely to know exactly what's in the tincture/tea/pill. Some places will combine several different varieties of Holy Basil to create Tulsi tea, some will only sell one type of Holy Basil. And remember, fillers are not something we want in our medicines! Here is a PDF where they break down Holy Basil's actions on each of the systems of the body: Semantics scholar - Therapeutic Benefits of Holy Basil (Tusli) in General and Oral medicine But, as this article states, the one issue I have with it is this: "Tulsi even enhances the adrenal function by lowering cortisol levels." So, if you are a person that has serious enough adrenal issues where you don't produce enough cortisol (and especially if you are taking meds to increase the amount of cortisol being produced), the Tulsi is not for you. It does help with anxiety for a number of reasons, but one of those reasons is because it lowers cortisol. But, if you are someone with your adrenals just "stuck" in high gear, this may be a wonderful herb for you!! So, I would suggest that you evaluate your adrenals closely and consider what you are dealing with and then make your decision, but be prepared to stop the herb, just in case. There's a lot of trial and error in treating yourself - but there's a lot of trail and error when a doctor is in charge of your treatments as well!!! Hopefully someone here will have at least tried Holy Basil and can come and share their experience with it. I hope that until then, this helps some! =) This is amazing information. Thank you! I did the "spit test" for my adrenal function and it revealed "depressed DHEA," but not low (or high) cortisol. I am supplementing with 5mg of DHEA a day, but my cortisol is "normal." So, it sounds like Holy Basil would be okay for me to try. I will check out the brands. I see an LLND next week (who works with me on a lot of my "supplemental health" issues -- gut, adrenals, immune function, detoxifying, etc) and will ask her, too. Thanks for taking the time to share all of this!
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Dec 8, 2017 21:26:50 GMT
I have both a lot of thoughts - and a lot of questions - about Holy Basil! LOL! It's a VERY intriguing herb!!! It's said it possess a lot of different medicinal qualities, but I've also watched as others have tried using it and their results. What I've seen is that those with adrenal issues may or may not do well with Holy Basil. Some do really well on it and some do a lot better on Ashwagandha. But - I'm looking into maybe starting Holy Basil too, at very low doses to see how I respond to this wonderful herb....just not for a while yet, as I still have some healing to do on my adrenals. Do watch out for different preparations of this herb - read your labels closely to know exactly what's in the tincture/tea/pill. Some places will combine several different varieties of Holy Basil to create Tulsi tea, some will only sell one type of Holy Basil. And remember, fillers are not something we want in our medicines! Here is a PDF where they break down Holy Basil's actions on each of the systems of the body: Semantics scholar - Therapeutic Benefits of Holy Basil (Tusli) in General and Oral medicine But, as this article states, the one issue I have with it is this: "Tulsi even enhances the adrenal function by lowering cortisol levels." So, if you are a person that has serious enough adrenal issues where you don't produce enough cortisol (and especially if you are taking meds to increase the amount of cortisol being produced), the Tulsi is not for you. It does help with anxiety for a number of reasons, but one of those reasons is because it lowers cortisol. But, if you are someone with your adrenals just "stuck" in high gear, this may be a wonderful herb for you!! So, I would suggest that you evaluate your adrenals closely and consider what you are dealing with and then make your decision, but be prepared to stop the herb, just in case. There's a lot of trial and error in treating yourself - but there's a lot of trail and error when a doctor is in charge of your treatments as well!!! Hopefully someone here will have at least tried Holy Basil and can come and share their experience with it. I hope that until then, this helps some! =) This is amazing information. Thank you! I did the "spit test" for my adrenal function and it revealed "depressed DHEA," but not low (or high) cortisol. I am supplementing with 5mg of DHEA a day, but my cortisol is "normal." So, it sounds like Holy Basil would be okay for me to try. I will check out the brands. I see an LLND next week (who works with me on a lot of my "supplemental health" issues -- gut, adrenals, immune function, detoxifying, etc) and will ask her, too. Thanks for taking the time to share all of this! Very, very good, KB!!! It sounds like it just may be a good herb for you!! I wish you a BUNCH of luck!! And I really appreciate that you are going to talk to your doc about it too! I hope she knows enough about the herb to really help!! Please do let us know what she has to say, and to let us know how you respond to it!!!
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