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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Jun 5, 2018 16:32:28 GMT
While searching online for some other information, I happened across this nifty little article all about the different strains of probiotics, what they do and what they support in the body. Now, I have NOT done the research to know for sure that this information is indeed correct, so if you find information that contradicts this, please let us know!!! Probiotic species and strains In case you were unaware, there is also a class of helpful microbes known as pre-biotics as well: Prebiotics vs probiotics"While PREBIOTICS and PROBIOTICS sound similar, these supplements are very different and have different roles in the digestive system (or gut). PREBIOTIC FIBER is a non-digestible part of foods like bananas, onions and garlic, Jerusalem artichoke, the skin of apples, chicory root, beans, and many others. Prebiotic fiber goes through the small intestine undigested and is fermented when it reaches the large colon. This fermentation process feeds beneficial bacteria colonies (including probiotic bacteria) and helps to increase the number of desirable bacteria in our digestive systems (also called the gut) that are associated with better health and reduced disease risk. PROBIOTICS are live beneficial bacteria that are naturally created by the process of fermentation in foods like yogurt, sauerkraut, miso soup, kimchi, and others. Probiotics are also available in pill form and as an added ingredient in products like yogurt and health drinks." Also see: Examples of prebiotic foodsPS - This is NOT an endorsement to buy any of the products on these pages, I only share for the information contained on the page.
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Post by alyeska on Jun 9, 2018 8:10:21 GMT
My doc has me switch probiotics every few months just like he has me pulse different Lyme killing herbs.
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Jun 9, 2018 14:55:01 GMT
My doc has me switch probiotics every few months just like he has me pulse different Lyme killing herbs. While I agree with the switching around of probiotics (so we get as many of the different strains as we can to repopulate the gut), but pulsing herbs isn't helpful -I take it your doc doesn't understand this??? It doesn't allow for the herbs to 'build up' in the body (giving all the help they can give) depending on how often they are switched. "Pulsing" though gives the impression that you are switching the herbs fairly frequently and fairly regularly. The only exception to this is when using single plant constituents - which is why I will only use 'whole' herbs, where all of the constituents to whatever part(s) of the herbs are included - resistance just does not occur because there are between 200 - 300 different constituents per plant, depending on which plant is being discussed. I would encourage you to talk this over with your doc - they may not understand this point, and it's an important one.
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Post by alyeska on Jun 10, 2018 6:08:39 GMT
My doc has me switch probiotics every few months just like he has me pulse different Lyme killing herbs. While I agree with the switching around of probiotics (so we get as many of the different strains as we can to repopulate the gut), but pulsing herbs isn't helpful -I take it your doc doesn't understand this??? It doesn't allow for the herbs to 'build up' in the body (giving all the help they can give) depending on how often they are switched. "Pulsing" though gives the impression that you are switching the herbs fairly frequently and fairly regularly. The only exception to this is when using single plant constituents - which is why I will only use 'whole' herbs, where all of the constituents to whatever part(s) of the herbs are included - resistance just does not occur because there are between 200 - 300 different constituents per plant, depending on which plant is being discussed. I would encourage you to talk this over with your doc - they may not understand this point, and it's an important one. I have a feeling that you’re right that he doesn’t understand yet. Remember he had me on samento, now it’s Cumanda, and next it’s mora. Those are all single plant constituents, right? They’re all made by Nutramedix. I really think he’s just learning too. What do you think?
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Jun 10, 2018 19:03:14 GMT
I have a feeling that you’re right that he doesn’t understand yet. Remember he had me on samento, now it’s Cumanda, and next it’s mora. Those are all single plant constituents, right? They’re all made by Nutramedix. I really think he’s just learning too. What do you think? So, those aren't single plant components - but ones like samento aren't considered "whole herb" either. Samento is cat's claw with what is known as TOA (tetracyclic oxidole alkaloids) removed. Some time back, there was a huge controversy over whether the TOA's in whole cat's claw helped or hurt people using it. So we ended up with 2 sides of this - one side believing that TOA is harmful and the other side believing that they are necessary for healing. I come down on the side of Buhner - after all, he's a world renowned Herbalist that has taken years to develop these protocols and study the bacteria itself. I've also done some of my own research and it has all backed this up - so I use only whole herb cat's claw when I use it. Buhner has 2 pages dedicated to this discussion in his 'Healing Lyme" 2nd edition book, on pages 366 & 367 if you care to read it yourself. Cumada is considered a 'whole herb' though, as it's taken from the bark of the Campsiandra angustifolia tree, found in South America. But this tells me that your doctor is following the Cowden protocol, which to be honest I haven't been all that impressed with as I have watched many use it when I was on Healingwell's Lyme forum. While it did help some with Lyme, it rarely helped with any of the other infections from what I saw and was "reported" in posts on Healingwell. I have never personally used it though. So, give it a try! The herbs may benefit you, but if they don't, don't waste time with them. But, please realize I feel this way about every protocol!!! There is no one protocol that will work for all of us!!! I would also encourage you to learn as much as you can about each of these herbs that you start - that way you will be better able to evaluate them as you try them out. I know your life is more than a little crazy right now, so just do your best!
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Post by alyeska on Jun 11, 2018 0:49:30 GMT
I have a feeling that you’re right that he doesn’t understand yet. Remember he had me on samento, now it’s Cumanda, and next it’s mora. Those are all single plant constituents, right? They’re all made by Nutramedix. I really think he’s just learning too. What do you think? So, those aren't single plant components - but ones like samento aren't considered "whole herb" either. Samento is cat's claw with what is known as TOA (tetracyclic oxidole alkaloids) removed. Some time back, there was a huge controversy over whether the TOA's in whole cat's claw helped or hurt people using it. So we ended up with 2 sides of this - one side believing that TOA is harmful and the other side believing that they are necessary for healing. I come down on the side of Buhner - after all, he's a world renowned Herbalist that has taken years to develop these protocols and study the bacteria itself. I've also done some of my own research and it has all backed this up - so I use only whole herb cat's claw when I use it. Buhner has 2 pages dedicated to this discussion in his 'Healing Lyme" 2nd edition book, on pages 366 & 367 if you care to read it yourself. Cumada is considered a 'whole herb' though, as it's taken from the bark of the Campsiandra angustifolia tree, found in South America. But this tells me that your doctor is following the Cowden protocol, which to be honest I haven't been all that impressed with as I have watched many use it when I was on Healingwell's Lyme forum. While it did help some with Lyme, it rarely helped with any of the other infections from what I saw and was "reported" in posts on Healingwell. I have never personally used it though. So, give it a try! The herbs may benefit you, but if they don't, don't waste time with them. But, please realize I feel this way about every protocol!!! There is no one protocol that will work for all of us!!! I would also encourage you to learn as much as you can about each of these herbs that you start - that way you will be better able to evaluate them as you try them out. I know your life is more than a little crazy right now, so just do your best! I think my LLMD has to be very careful with me because of all of my sensitivities, and he’s also trying to make it easy enough for me to take. He knows all of the stress I’m dealing with at home too. There are SO many things I can’t use, and I have so many demands on my time at the moment. Did I tell you I can’t even drink lemon water any more because it started ruining me tooth enamel? Errrrrrgh! I’m so glad I have you to help me navigate all of this stuff! I can’t imagine trying to process all of this information on my own. Thank you so much, Traveler!
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Post by Admin/ Traveler on Jun 11, 2018 19:24:10 GMT
I can understand!! With having soy, msg and ragweed allergies, I'm very careful with everything I use! I always start off very slow and low and watch for any allergic reactions - and of course, with my GI so messed up - I often *think* I may be experiencing an allergic reaction! LOL!
Remember - moving slow with herbs and dosing is a VERY good thing!! Even though it can be very frustrating at the same time.
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Post by girlie on Jun 15, 2018 1:58:01 GMT
So, those aren't single plant components - but ones like samento aren't considered "whole herb" either. Samento is cat's claw with what is known as TOA (tetracyclic oxidole alkaloids) removed. Some time back, there was a huge controversy over whether the TOA's in whole cat's claw helped or hurt people using it. So we ended up with 2 sides of this - one side believing that TOA is harmful and the other side believing that they are necessary for healing. I come down on the side of Buhner - after all, he's a world renowned Herbalist that has taken years to develop these protocols and study the bacteria itself. I've also done some of my own research and it has all backed this up - so I use only whole herb cat's claw when I use it. Buhner has 2 pages dedicated to this discussion in his 'Healing Lyme" 2nd edition book, on pages 366 & 367 if you care to read it yourself. Cumada is considered a 'whole herb' though, as it's taken from the bark of the Campsiandra angustifolia tree, found in South America. But this tells me that your doctor is following the Cowden protocol, which to be honest I haven't been all that impressed with as I have watched many use it when I was on Healingwell's Lyme forum. While it did help some with Lyme, it rarely helped with any of the other infections from what I saw and was "reported" in posts on Healingwell. I have never personally used it though. So, give it a try! The herbs may benefit you, but if they don't, don't waste time with them. But, please realize I feel this way about every protocol!!! There is no one protocol that will work for all of us!!! I would also encourage you to learn as much as you can about each of these herbs that you start - that way you will be better able to evaluate them as you try them out. I know your life is more than a little crazy right now, so just do your best! I think my LLMD has to be very careful with me because of all of my sensitivities, and he’s also trying to make it easy enough for me to take. He knows all of the stress I’m dealing with at home too. There are SO many things I can’t use, and I have so many demands on my time at the moment. Did I tell you I can’t even drink lemon water any more because it started ruining me tooth enamel? Errrrrrgh! I’m so glad I have you to help me navigate all of this stuff! I can’t imagine trying to process all of this information on my own. Thank you so much, Traveler! Alyeska - Did you drink the lemon water through a straw...to help bypass the teeth? Also, good idea to rinse your mouth with clear water after drinking it...and do not brush your teeth right away. But, I guess it's not something you want to drink now since you already have damaged your tooth enamel. How can you tell? Did you see some erosion?
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Post by alyeska on Jun 19, 2018 22:31:16 GMT
I think my LLMD has to be very careful with me because of all of my sensitivities, and he’s also trying to make it easy enough for me to take. He knows all of the stress I’m dealing with at home too. There are SO many things I can’t use, and I have so many demands on my time at the moment. Did I tell you I can’t even drink lemon water any more because it started ruining me tooth enamel? Errrrrrgh! I’m so glad I have you to help me navigate all of this stuff! I can’t imagine trying to process all of this information on my own. Thank you so much, Traveler! Alyeska - Did you drink the lemon water through a straw...to help bypass the teeth? Also, good idea to rinse your mouth with clear water after drinking it...and do not brush your teeth right away. But, I guess it's not something you want to drink now since you already have damaged your tooth enamel. How can you tell? Did you see some erosion? Yes, I was very careful to drink it through a straw and rinse my mouth with water each time. I think my tooth enamel isn’t the best to begin with, so part of it’s just my genetics. I started getting very sensitive teeth, especially with hot and cold foods or drinks. The dentist told me to stop drinking lemon water and had me buy special toothpaste and mouthwash. They’re a lot better now, but I miss my lemon water. I’ll drink it every now and then anyway.
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